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good luck on the upgrades- let us know how it goes. get familiar with the 'powervision information thread' sticky at the top of the fuel injection/tuning forum area. real good info and members- it's sponsored by Fuel Moto and their lead tech, Jamie, participates there a lot. if you buy it anywhere else and need help directly from Dynojet, be sure to ask for Roy- he's one of their seasoned techs and knows the PV very well.
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yep I hear you on that- 560 should be plenty fine, IIRC the stock heads support up to 590 (off top of my head I could be remembering that incorrectly)- but I know 560 is within tolerable limits. but on a stock motor I don't think there would be much noticeable difference between the 37/57.
For reference, stock cam lift is only 0.484.
Last edited by HKMark23; Mar 4, 2016 at 05:47 AM.
Being the oddball here, my cams have 585 lift. I'll let you all know as soon as the springs give up. The top end is not loud and with 10000 approximate miles on the cams no signs of failure as of yet. By the way they also have a 33 intake close. Tq drops below 100 at 5300 , almost at the limiter. All the cams in the recent posts will be nice upgrades. How many miles do you all have on your breakouts? 23000 and some change here.
Last edited by cdonis; Mar 4, 2016 at 08:05 AM.
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yeh cdonis, good pick for your bike. back in the day, .510 was considered "high lift" for evo motors- late model TC's can handle the higher lift and I'm pretty sure it is .590 max - btw I have about 7k miles on the bike.
staying below rated max is the key- there is no appreciable difference in regards to premature spring wear with a .508 vs a .585 lift. As long as the valve spring is not coil binding, then it is working as designed.
SE211 with an intake close of 45 will be too far up in the rpms for most stock compression street bikes. I would not go over 41 and even then I would run 10.5:1 comp to get the dynamic comp number around low 9's. for stock comp motor an intake close event around mid 30's is more appropriate.
that said, you have to consider drive gearing as well. taller stock gearing on stock compression will like an earlier intake close cam around 32-34, shorter ratio gearing will do better with slightly later around 36-38. the reason the 57h keeps my interest are the many dyno charts I've reviewed on stock 103" TC motors with nothing more than a stage1 and good tune. TQ comes on hard by 2300-2500 and sustains out to 5400 or so. similar with what cdonis got with his S&S cam. that is an optimal range for any street bike. Sure I have my rev limit set to 6000 but I never spin it over 5200 or so.
but lots of good similar ballpark cam choices- Kury 24d, Andrews 57h, Andrews 48h, SE 204, Andrews 37h, SS MR103, etc- these are all very similar in grind and on a stock stage1 bike they are all going to perform about the same. hard to go wrong with any of them- jmho..
staying below rated max is the key- there is no appreciable difference in regards to premature spring wear with a .508 vs a .585 lift. As long as the valve spring is not coil binding, then it is working as designed.
SE211 with an intake close of 45 will be too far up in the rpms for most stock compression street bikes. I would not go over 41 and even then I would run 10.5:1 comp to get the dynamic comp number around low 9's. for stock comp motor an intake close event around mid 30's is more appropriate.
that said, you have to consider drive gearing as well. taller stock gearing on stock compression will like an earlier intake close cam around 32-34, shorter ratio gearing will do better with slightly later around 36-38. the reason the 57h keeps my interest are the many dyno charts I've reviewed on stock 103" TC motors with nothing more than a stage1 and good tune. TQ comes on hard by 2300-2500 and sustains out to 5400 or so. similar with what cdonis got with his S&S cam. that is an optimal range for any street bike. Sure I have my rev limit set to 6000 but I never spin it over 5200 or so.
but lots of good similar ballpark cam choices- Kury 24d, Andrews 57h, Andrews 48h, SE 204, Andrews 37h, SS MR103, etc- these are all very similar in grind and on a stock stage1 bike they are all going to perform about the same. hard to go wrong with any of them- jmho..
Last edited by LA_Dog; Mar 4, 2016 at 09:18 AM.
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I'm in the process of getting everything together for my pre-riding season installs. I'm changing out my cables to have more slack from where I swapped my bars last year. For this I'll be having the tank taken off. I figure since the tank is already off I might as well have the rocker covers that have been sitting in the garage for months installed. If I'm having those changed I might as well go ahead and have my cam cover switched - which is also sitting in the garage. With all of that being taken apart I might as well go ahead and buy cams and have that done. I already have stage 1 and I have a 68t sportster pulley also in the garage. I'm leaning heavily towards the SE204 for cams and using a FP3. Hope I enjoy them as much as everyone else seems to.
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Being the oddball here, my cams have 585 lift. I'll let you all know as soon as the springs give up. The top end is not loud and with 10000 approximate miles on the cams no signs of failure as of yet. By the way they also have a 33 intake close. Tq drops below 100 at 5300 , almost at the limiter. All the cams in the recent posts will be nice upgrades. How many miles do you all have on your breakouts? 23000 and some change here.
If those numbers are close, then I suppose I could be in the 100tq club if I changed my Short Shots to a 2-1 pipe. But, to hell with that.. lol
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this is what I'd be shooting for with the 57h cams or similar. the chart below is from a 2012 103" softail with 57h cams, 2-1 pipes, A/C and good tune. so with my 2-2 more open pipes I'd probably see TQ numbers in the low to mid 90's.
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Nice results EagleRay- I've looked at a lot of dyno charts for the SE204 vs 57H- both are virtually same- 57H comes on a couple hundred rpm higher and extends out a couple hundred rpm further, generally that's the main diff but it is nothing significant since both are strong in the important areas of typical riding RPM's. Either one will perform. For a 2007-up bike with stock belt pulleys I'd take the 204 over the 57h, having TQ come in a slight bit earlier would be beneficial to get those tall ratios moving sooner.
I know some guys care about having the TQ extended out to 6k but frankly I think 5k is the realistic every day riding limit. e.g. I'd rather have TQ come in fast and strong mid 2k, peak around mid 3k and then sustain till 5k vs a cam that comes on closer to 3k, peaks around mid 4k, and sustains to 6k.
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They do....
Hello again,
I really like the stock gloss black heat shields. I am wondering if they will fit back on the RUSH 23511 series slip ons? Are there others they will fit? SE? Street cannons?
FYI. I know (from this forum) that they WILL FIT on Bassani Firepower series mufflers but wondering about others.
Thanks for all replies!
I really like the stock gloss black heat shields. I am wondering if they will fit back on the RUSH 23511 series slip ons? Are there others they will fit? SE? Street cannons?
FYI. I know (from this forum) that they WILL FIT on Bassani Firepower series mufflers but wondering about others.
Thanks for all replies!
I found evidence ...Here : https://www.hdforums.com/forum/dyna-...r-50-00-a.html
and here...
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