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Old Apr 24, 2016 | 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by riknbeth
Nope didn't notice that. I believe Australian $$ to US $$ is 0.77 so that means a little over $500 for the setup. Guess you do not think it is too far out of line for what you are getting. Got to admit I have never seen anything like this, really sharp on the stock fender (in my opinion). Thanks for the quick reply.
Yep, you're right on the exchange rate. But the top product you posted the pic of actually is nearly AU$ 1000,-. The one for US$ 500,- comes w/o tail light and turn signals.

And I agree the overall price is a bit over the top. But hey, if you like it...
 
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Old Apr 24, 2016 | 07:10 PM
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Originally Posted by riknbeth

Link -> http://www.hotbike.com.au/?product_c...ender-fix-kits

Have also attached a picture.
I was looking at those too. Expensive. I've been looking into making one something like it. Or I'll end up buying one.
 
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Old Apr 24, 2016 | 07:13 PM
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That shouldn't be too hard to DIY if you were so inclined
 
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Old Apr 25, 2016 | 06:07 AM
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Originally Posted by HKMark23
Hi Weezl.

Its difficult to get a handle on these Forum tire recommendations, I know. They seem subjective and are difficult to rationalize. All I did was switch to a Dunlop E3 250 because they were so much cheaper than a Dealer OEM tire and were wider (cool). The "felt" handling improvement of, even the E3, over the OEM tire is very obvious. I can't explain why but from both personal experience and also what, like you, I'm reading it seems that "anything but OEM" is an improvement.

You're facing a "suck it and see" situation right now but if you do try that Metzeler, or the E3 by Dunlop like me, I'll be flabbergasted if you're not impressed with the improvement.

My Dealer wants over 400 bux with tax, plus installation, for the 240. Canada's Motorcycle Store is peddling the E3 250 for $205 and the Metzeler 260 for $245. Where's the downside ?
Yeah, price is a HUGE factor, if I have to pay for a new tire, I'm looking at prices and quality. Canada's motorcycle is where I got my tire for the virago, and the pipes for the breakout, happy both times, will definitely look at them again!

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all to do with tire profile and width. Not side wall.
You'll never touch the pavement with that, but depending on the radius of the contact patch hight, some are easier to arrive at that so called "chicken strip" edge and the others not!
Generally a taller radius is much more difficult to arrive at the edge, but will allow for more lean into a turn before you run out of rubber. These type tyre shapes are more common on touring tyres. Where as tires that are designed with a flatter, less pointy spae have a much higher speed rating (aggressive) and are much more suited for race purpose. Even if they are not full blown race compounds. Usually radial tires, and though they will run out of contact sooner, they offer a much more predictable input as for when you've used all of that usable surface area, as apposed to the pointier shaped contact surface.
With neither of which amounting to diddly if rubber compound is crappy. But that wasn't your question.
Ok, so it is technically a taller tire, but the sidewall is the same size. So from the tread to the rim, it's all the same, but the tread portion is going the exact opposite way from the "dark side" guys? That totally makes sense as to why it will allow a little more lean, even if it does widen up my chicken strips a bit. That's what you're saying, right?

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I didn't want to suggest that it would be possible to lean the bike any further with that tire than it was with the stocker. If that's what came across I'm sorry, my bad. The "w/o scraping" was rather meant as a side note...

The fact that you scraped you primary was, if I remember correctly, in a sharp slow turn pulling into a lot or gas station and hitting a slight bump in the pavement, right? I've done the same thing, too, but that had nothing to do with tire etc.. It was just a very unlucky coincidence...

If you are constantly scraping in turns, especially faster turns or curves this may have several reasons...

1st thing I did was to take off the stock pegs (with the feelers) as they have an offset to the bottom. I replaced them with straight pegs. I usually put my foot on the peg with the middle part and not the heel. That causes my heel to be the lowest point and as such the first thing to touch the asphalt. If I need to lean a bit more I slightly lift the heel and do it. If I still need to lean more... I AM TOO FAST!!! This will probably make my peg scrape next but it's then at the latest that I learned my lesson for the next time....as I just damaged a $100 item.

So I don't intend to tell you how you should ride but in case you already replaced those unfavorable stock pegs for straight ones and you're still constantly scraping them then it might be time to revise your riding style
Yes, that's exactly what happened, totally a perfect storm situation, but on a bike that has a half decent ground clearance when cornering, this would never have been an issue...

As for the stock pegs, they are ugly, but I actually like the feelers. I sit my foot on the peg the same as you, and scrape boot before feeler, but I do like having the feeler there anyways, just so I know, "hard stuff is coming up REAL soon" when cornering...

I did read that you were able to corner harder, but no biggie there.

Originally Posted by riknbeth
Guys, I am not a fan of the stock license plate mount and the side mount (vertical) is illegal in my state. So I have been hunting around for options and found this. Crazy expensive (~$700) but looks very nice. Please take a look, have you seen this? Has this or options like this been discussed yet? Maybe someone can explain why this is so freaking expensive.... I am assuming they want to stay in business and people pay this high price for a reason. Thanks in advance.

Link -> http://www.hotbike.com.au/?product_c...ender-fix-kits

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That actually looks pretty sweet. The factory side mount is horizontal, not vertical, isn't it? If side mount is illegal in your state, what does your bike come with? It's not the Canadian center mount fender, is it?

 
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Old Apr 25, 2016 | 09:52 AM
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Weezl- it's not just about the tire with your scraping situation. it is also about the weak stock front suspension. As it is, your bike sits about an inch / inch and a half lower up front under it's own weight (called "sag"). Add any braking force or a small bump, and the front compresses even further. Add any gravity force in a corner and again it compresses. This vastly reduces your ground clearance and you scrape sooner than expected. It pissed me off so much when I first got the bike that I honestly almost turned around and sold it.

to fix, do your front forks with the racetech springs and ricor or racetech dampers. done deal.

Aftermarket tires will be a big improvement over the stock clunkers. They will just do everything better. The stock rear tire has a very flat face profile versus good aftermarket tires with proper radius. The stock front tire is like a mushroom. Besides you will not find any tire mfr that recommends a 130/60/21 tire for a front 3.5" rim... it is just plain wrong. 120/70 is correct. I threw my tires away with only about 1k miles on them with no regrets. There are very good offerings from Metzeler, Dunlop and Pirelli and they are superior + cost less than the stock tires. If the stock tires were actually decent you would not hear about so many riders tossing them and the good results post-upgrade. good luck!

Originally Posted by EagleRay
Yep, you're right on the exchange rate. But the top product you posted the pic of actually is nearly AU$ 1000,-. The one for US$ 500,- comes w/o tail light and turn signals.

And I agree the overall price is a bit over the top. But hey, if you like it...
I about **** when I saw those prices. really?? some parts are clearly worth $500 or a grand and others not. Hell if I was going to drop a grand on something decent I'd upgrade my belt pulleys- oh wait, I did

Granted the OP is concerned about tickets for a vertical license plate. it's the same issue here in Cali and many other states. but you know it has to be a pretty bored *** cop to pull you over only for that here in the US. Not very likely. And how many license plate fix-it tickets would it take to equal $500 to a grand?? I'll pay that ticket, thanks
 

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Old Apr 25, 2016 | 02:45 PM
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Originally Posted by LA_Dog
I about **** when I saw those prices. really?? some parts are clearly worth $500 or a grand and others not. Hell if I was going to drop a grand on something decent I'd upgrade my belt pulleys- oh wait, I did

Granted the OP is concerned about tickets for a vertical license plate. it's the same issue here in Cali and many other states. but you know it has to be a pretty bored *** cop to pull you over only for that here in the US. Not very likely. And how many license plate fix-it tickets would it take to equal $500 to a grand?? I'll pay that ticket, thanks
how many license plate fix-it tickets would it take to equal $500 to a grand??

-> That is a really good point!! Need to reconsider
 
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Old Apr 25, 2016 | 03:35 PM
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Has anyone considered adding these to their front ends? Link

I would like to have more of a stretched out look without adversely affecting my handling. Besides the extra ground clearance might help keep my peg feelers off the pavement...
 
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Old Apr 25, 2016 | 03:51 PM
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Has anyone considered adding these to their front ends? Link

I would like to have more of a stretched out look without adversely affecting my handling. Besides the extra ground clearance might help keep my peg feelers off the pavement...
The peg feelers unbolt from the pegs...that will for sure keep them off the pavement.
 
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Old Apr 25, 2016 | 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by LA_Dog
Weezl- it's not just about the tire with your scraping situation. it is also about the weak stock front suspension. As it is, your bike sits about an inch / inch and a half lower up front under it's own weight (called "sag"). Add any braking force or a small bump, and the front compresses even further. Add any gravity force in a corner and again it compresses. This vastly reduces your ground clearance and you scrape sooner than expected. It pissed me off so much when I first got the bike that I honestly almost turned around and sold it.

to fix, do your front forks with the racetech springs and ricor or racetech dampers. done deal.

Aftermarket tires will be a big improvement over the stock clunkers. They will just do everything better. The stock rear tire has a very flat face profile versus good aftermarket tires with proper radius. The stock front tire is like a mushroom. Besides you will not find any tire mfr that recommends a 130/60/21 tire for a front 3.5" rim... it is just plain wrong. 120/70 is correct. I threw my tires away with only about 1k miles on them with no regrets. There are very good offerings from Metzeler, Dunlop and Pirelli and they are superior + cost less than the stock tires. If the stock tires were actually decent you would not hear about so many riders tossing them and the good results post-upgrade. good luck!
the suspension i totally understand about, and will be my next upgrade to the bike. tires i will probably hold on to until they are worn out completely

Originally Posted by LA_Dog
I about **** when I saw those prices. really?? some parts are clearly worth $500 or a grand and others not. Hell if I was going to drop a grand on something decent I'd upgrade my belt pulleys- oh wait, I did

Granted the OP is concerned about tickets for a vertical license plate. it's the same issue here in Cali and many other states. but you know it has to be a pretty bored *** cop to pull you over only for that here in the US. Not very likely. And how many license plate fix-it tickets would it take to equal $500 to a grand?? I'll pay that ticket, thanks
here, it could be only one. depending on the officer he has the ability to write a few different things. there are 4 options really. a normal ticket, at $176, (3 tickets of any sort in a year and your mandatory insurance policy with the government monopoly provider, goes up)

second is a box 3 (best case imo.) written a ticket, but given the opportunity to fix it and the ticket gets ripped up.

box 2, vehicle requires an inspection at a government certified facility, within 60 days. anything not meeting government criteria must be fixed before passing. this includes any pipes that are louder than stock, moved or aftermarket non-dot signals, brake lights, oil leaks, ect. plus the plate ticket, repairs, and $150 for the inspection.

worst case scenario, box 1. this is typically only used for rolling scrap heaps, but i have seen one given for worn out door bushings. same as box 2, except no 60 days. vehicle gets impounded, towed in, towed out, towed to a shop for the inspection. impound rates are $30 per day, plus tow, starting at about $100. so, box 1: $176 ticket, $150 inspection, MIN $100 tow in, likely 2 days storage to arrange an inspection, $60, tow to shop (tow out starts at $60, $90 for bikes) repairs at shop $?? thats $586, minimum, before you pay for the shop to do work that you could do on your own just fine


that being said, i have been pulled over for a vertical plate, and rode away with just a $176 ticket

a friend of mine got pulled over with a fender eliminator kit on his ninja, everything else stock, got a box 2, and was out about $600 when it was all said and done
 

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Old Apr 25, 2016 | 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by weezl
the suspension i totally understand about, and will be my next upgrade to the bike.

that being said, i have been pulled over for a vertical plate, and rode away with just a $176 ticket

a friend of mine got pulled over with a fender eliminator kit on his ninja, everything else stock, got a box 2, and was out about $600 when it was all said and done
For christ sake.... Can't the government just leave us alone? I understand the Police Officers (for my part, much respect for them) are just doing their jobs, but holy shi&!.

Thanks guys for the comments.
 
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