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The filter i bought is for twin cam engine part # 63798-99A the other numbers on the box are as follows 62700296, PKG200074 and 12-28001-4280. Does this shed any light on what i have ?
Not for me. Those other numbers may mean something to someone from H-D. They also might just be a P/N or code for the box the filter comes in. Who knows.
As@MotoJockey said, if nothing else comes out of this thread, everyone should be inspecting the center tube of all oil filters before they buy one.
The filter i bought is for twin cam engine part # 63798-99A the other numbers on the box are as follows 62700296, PKG200074 and 12-28001-4280. Does this shed any light on what i have ?
At the start of this thread i may have been a little vague on what the problem was. If i came off as whining or ranting i surely did not mean it to sound that way. I was just pissed off i drove 65 miles round trip to get a filter and ended up with a defective one. This is the grreatest forum on the planet with great people on it. It's a pleasure to be able to talk to people with the same interests.
62700296 is the same part number as mine. I wonder if they're just giving M8 filters to anyone that walks into an HD dealer for an oil filter?
Notice the numbers for the new filters for the M8 in the service bulletin-
Both numbers are on the box 63798-99A and 62700296 . It is a short filter. I thought the twin cam and M8 filters were the same at first and then HD came out with the longer filter for the M8 at a later date ?
Both numbers are on the box 63798-99A and 62700296 . It is a short filter. I thought the twin cam and M8 filters were the same at first and then HD came out with the longer filter for the M8 at a later date ?
Did you measure it to be sure that it's actually smaller? It should be 3.5" if its the older filter, around 4" if it's the new model.
Some of you guys should really go read the bobistheoilguy link I posted. It was stated on post #20 that after Amsoil was contacted they were very concerned and wanted the filters back. So no, louvers that are partially closed is not normal/acceptable.
Originally Posted by silverbulletking
Did you measure it to be sure that it's actually smaller? It should be 3.5" if its the older filter, around 4" if it's the new model.
Why are they using the same upc? That's just weird? Unless, let me go check...
Well SOaB, my used HD filter is 3.5" even though the UPC is giving the same number as the "New" longer HD oil filter.
I know I bought the new longer filter both times (62700296), I have the damned receipts. WTH is going on?
Wrong filter in box ? Wrong numbers on box ? I don"t know what they got going. There is some kind of problem for sure besides just a badly made filters. Hopefully this will not be to widespread. Problem is they shipped filters all over the place. Do I hear a recall of some kind ? I just hope no one has had any engine damage from any of this.
Wrong filter in box ? Wrong numbers on box ? I don"t know what they got going. There is some kind of problem for sure besides just a badly made filters. Hopefully this will not be to widespread. Problem is they shipped filters all over the place. Do I hear a recall of some kind ? I just hope no one has had any engine damage from any of this.
You're in St. Louis & I'm in Ohio, that's fairly widespread already in itself. I already made a youtube vid but who knows if anyone watched it. I'll be happy if it saves just 1 poor schmuck like myself from getting engine damage & having to pay to get it fixed. I'll be calling HD tomorrow, but I'm not going to hold my breath that they'll do anything about it. Like I said in a previous post- most companies won't do a thing to fix a problem unless it's literally killing people. Even then, it's often only when paying off victims becomes more expensive than the recall.
I'll certainly be asking why the filters I'm buying are being sold as the "New" model but are the exact same size as the old model.
You're in St. Louis & I'm in Ohio, that's fairly widespread already in itself. I already made a youtube vid but who knows if anyone watched it. I'll be happy if it saves just 1 poor schmuck like myself from getting engine damage & having to pay to get it fixed. I'll be calling HD tomorrow, but I'm not going to hold my breath that they'll do anything about it. Like I said in a previous post- most companies won't do a thing to fix a problem unless it's literally killing people. Even then, it's often only when paying off victims becomes more expensive than the recall.
I'll certainly be asking why the filters I'm buying are being sold as the "New" model but are the exact same size as the old model.
I don't think anybody people dying has anything to do with it... I believe it is simply a matter of them evaluating the risk, and the potential costs...
My guess will be that the MoCo would/will be horrified (solely on possible financial costs) to learn of this...
However, like the M8 sumping, Twin Cam inner cam bearings, failing compensators, and early spring cam tensioner problems that cost many a lot of $$$ after the warranty ran out, the MoCo won't admit, or own the issue...
They may even go so far, like they have in the past, to give dealers an approved corporate response to use only when hard pressed with evidence of failure, that will suggest that they are unaware, and/or there were very few affected parts/bikes..
They will avoid publicly admitting the problem, and make a silent running production change to fix the problem. All to avoid it becoming well known that they had a substandard part in the pipeline...
They will do all this to minimize possible warranty claims and or liability for selling this substandard part... and once fixed, they will pat themselves on the back for severely limiting their financial liability exposure for this issue.
It is the corporate way in America today.....
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I have never in my life had such a hard time taking pictures! I finally had to use my inspection camera to get inside, I tried everything else. Unfortunately, the one I have at home doesn't have a camera attached to it, and I wasn't driving 40 miles to the shop to get the good one.
So, I took pics of the inspection screen, with my phone. Sorry for the **** pics, but it gives you an idea.
I had all these on the shelf for the bike, just got the Fram the other day to "inspect"
First I looked at was the HD. The louvers inside are definitely not uniform in their opening size, a few were as tight as OPs:
Next was the S&S, it also has louvers, and they all looked great. All uniform:
Next was the Amsoil. Mine did NOT have louvers, just holes in the core like you would normally see:
Next was the Wix, also just holes in the core:
Finally the Fram. Holes:
Yeah, that is GLUE or epoxy or some such crap on the bottom of the Fram. I have long contested that Fram is junk.
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