PC III Question
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PC III Question
I've used the SERT on my last two bikes. I just bought a SE Fat Bob to go with my SG. I've already ordered the Rush slip on mufflers for the FB. Purchased the mufflers from FuelMoto. FuelMoto also sells the PC III for the SE 110 engine, already set up, as most of you know. I was going to go with the SERT again. But I talked to my dealer today and they were strongly recommending the PC III. But at $700 for the PC III and dyno tuning, I ain't interested. That's SERT territory. FM sells it already programmed for under $300. I'm sure dyno tuning would be more exact but I'm thinking FM will be close enough. Anyway, can some of you comment on your experiences with the PC III. I'll add that I have used the PC III on two metric bikes with little noticeable power gains and both times they absolutely killed my MPG. Would this be different on a HD?
Gary
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Your Harley dealer was recommending PCIII over SERT? That's a first.
Got a PCIII on my 08 SG and it works great. You can try a canned map to get close but most everyone recommends getting a dyno tune to nail it. Dyno time usually runs 200-300 bucks depending on the shop.
As for mileage I average 40 mpg on my bike. With the stock setup I was getting around 42-43 so not a big drop.
Love the SE Fat Bob too... nice bike!!!
Got a PCIII on my 08 SG and it works great. You can try a canned map to get close but most everyone recommends getting a dyno tune to nail it. Dyno time usually runs 200-300 bucks depending on the shop.
As for mileage I average 40 mpg on my bike. With the stock setup I was getting around 42-43 so not a big drop.
Love the SE Fat Bob too... nice bike!!!
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From: Riverview, FL
my 06 Ultra ran sooo hot. The PCIII cooled it down. Had a dynotune and it ran very good by ate to much gas. I changed the values in the crusing range and got my MPG back and kept the performance at open throttle. Also had one for heavy traffic when it was very hot out. The good thing about the PCIII if you dont like a MAP you can usually get one from a forum member or Fuelmoto. Dynojet tuning center usually only charge $150 - $200 for a tune. You can find those listed on the Dynojet site. Harley just wants to much money for a dynotune.
I like the ability to change the MAPs. I tuned out my popping on deceleration and raised MPG on my own. Did not have to take it back to Harley and give them hundreds.
I like the ability to change the MAPs. I tuned out my popping on deceleration and raised MPG on my own. Did not have to take it back to Harley and give them hundreds.
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Your Harley dealer was recommending PCIII over SERT? That's a first.
Got a PCIII on my 08 SG and it works great. You can try a canned map to get close but most everyone recommends getting a dyno tune to nail it. Dyno time usually runs 200-300 bucks depending on the shop.
As for mileage I average 40 mpg on my bike. With the stock setup I was getting around 42-43 so not a big drop.
Love the SE Fat Bob too... nice bike!!!
Got a PCIII on my 08 SG and it works great. You can try a canned map to get close but most everyone recommends getting a dyno tune to nail it. Dyno time usually runs 200-300 bucks depending on the shop.
As for mileage I average 40 mpg on my bike. With the stock setup I was getting around 42-43 so not a big drop.
Love the SE Fat Bob too... nice bike!!!
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I've been using a PC-III on my 07 FLHRC for better than 16k miles now. I had a minor problem at first because I'd been riding my bike around with just 2" Rush mufflers added, and my AFVs were not what the bike had that the PC-III map had been created on. It was real fat.
Reset my AFVs and after that the map has been near perfect.
But.
I've obtained one of the new TTS tuners. It is the successor to the SERT, which was actually pretty much the same device as this. This new version has some better capabilities. You can reset your AFVs, calibrate your speedo, fetch the current map off your bike (into an encrypted file which is useless except for being burned back into the ECU as-is), as well as using the software "system" to take datalogs and automatically create self-calibrated maps which cover the vast majority of the operational areas -- with no dyno time involved.
I'm jazzed about it, and the only reason I haven't removed the PC-III yet is I want to get to the dealer's "Digital Technician" to grab a few specific readings first, for arcane reasons.
Reset my AFVs and after that the map has been near perfect.
But.
I've obtained one of the new TTS tuners. It is the successor to the SERT, which was actually pretty much the same device as this. This new version has some better capabilities. You can reset your AFVs, calibrate your speedo, fetch the current map off your bike (into an encrypted file which is useless except for being burned back into the ECU as-is), as well as using the software "system" to take datalogs and automatically create self-calibrated maps which cover the vast majority of the operational areas -- with no dyno time involved.
I'm jazzed about it, and the only reason I haven't removed the PC-III yet is I want to get to the dealer's "Digital Technician" to grab a few specific readings first, for arcane reasons.
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I put a PCIII on my 05 Glide when I upgraded to Thunderheader pipes and SE AC. I just downloaded the matching map from the PCIII site, loaded it up, and haven't had any problems! In really hot weather I'll get an occasionally decel pop, but nothing else. MPG might have dropped 1-3MPG (get about 38-40 on average still). Performance was noticeable, but I did all 3 at once, so it was probably a combination of them all.
As said, you can dyno tune to really get the most out of your configuration, but unless you are drag racing, it's most likely not really necessary.
As said, you can dyno tune to really get the most out of your configuration, but unless you are drag racing, it's most likely not really necessary.
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From: Lake Stevens Washington
I put my PCIII on myself. Downloaded the map for my set up. Ran it for a weeks, I decided to take it in and run it on the dyno. THe result was two more hp over the map from power commander. To say the least I was dissapointed and impressed at the same time. I would just buy the PCIII and use the map they suggest and enjoy the bike.
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My Road Glide has V&H 2 into 1 exhaust and Arlen Ness Big Sucker II air filter. I put the PCIII on with Jamie's map and the bike ran great. I have since played with the settings (can't help myself) and have made a few minor gains. The PCIII is easy to install and work with using a pc.
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Gary,
I use the PC3 on most of my builds, unless the guy wants the SERT specifically. I have the PC3 on the last 4 builds and they all perform well with 47-50mpg. I utilize PC base MAP's to built my custom maps, then I dial in my base MAPS with the help of the PC LCD screen for real time tuning. The MAPS are specific for my HQ builds. Lately I've added the Headquarters Protuner with the PC3. Very nice results. It actually smooths out the little rough spots inherant in most custom Maps. You'll find the PC "canned" MAPS are a bit rich but with very little effort can be manipulated to a good running MAP.
I use the PC3 on most of my builds, unless the guy wants the SERT specifically. I have the PC3 on the last 4 builds and they all perform well with 47-50mpg. I utilize PC base MAP's to built my custom maps, then I dial in my base MAPS with the help of the PC LCD screen for real time tuning. The MAPS are specific for my HQ builds. Lately I've added the Headquarters Protuner with the PC3. Very nice results. It actually smooths out the little rough spots inherant in most custom Maps. You'll find the PC "canned" MAPS are a bit rich but with very little effort can be manipulated to a good running MAP.
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