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Old Jul 12, 2012 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by RicMF
Great, I really needed one more thing to be paranoid about. Anybody have the correct bolt size handy, so I can add it to my "things I need to keep on hand" list?
As many bikes that are out there this is not happening to all and it also seems a majority of those failing are due to other factors, like using the wrong bolts or chrome bolts or a chrome cover and usually after the pulley has been removed and re-installed or when some one found them loose and just re-torqued them, etc. If you find you can tighten the pulley bolts during an inspection then the damage is done and they need to be replaced yesterday! Yes, some have just plain failed and it is my opinion that it is due to the counter bores in the hub, if you look at the pictures just posted, that is where they broke. A bolt or stud with a shoulder that engages the counter bore would probably solve this problem!
 
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Old Jul 12, 2012 | 06:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Trabuco60
I am just waiting to happen to my bike, 06 with 28k miles,

Maybe a dumb question, Will a dab of JB weld or spot tigwelding each bolt to pulley hold them in place?
Possible or remove and retorque each season with fresh locktite. I totally dig my 06 streetbob, had insurance replace my rims and tires after pothole damage so my guess is the stealership got it right or they would be on the hook for that kinda failure.
 
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Old Jul 12, 2012 | 06:26 PM
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Originally Posted by tlb
It is not just dynas, softails have the same problem. As Drew said it is all year models.
People reuse the bolts, or the try to re-torque them during a service. They only need to be visually checked.
I would not reuse the wheel. It looks like a stock wheel, buy a used one off ebay, and get new bolts for both the pulley and rotor.
When you install the both follow the directions in the package, and do not go back to recheck the torque after the loctite has dried. Use a sharpy, put a small dot on the pulley/wheel for a reference when checking them.
That sounds viable, some bolts you can retorque several times safely but its also easy to mark them and check too. Plus with them all mucked up with locktite better off replacing if removing.
 
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Old Jul 12, 2012 | 06:32 PM
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Originally Posted by por2gezo
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IT HAPPENED TO ME !!! All 5 bolts .... snapped ! ... lucky for me ... the pully came lose in my driveway ! after getting home from work !

1000 miles after I followed everyones instructions on getting NEW bolts and using Lots of Locktight ...

How do I now get these bolts out of my wheel ?

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first, for future reference - you do not need "lots of locktite"

bolts this size - 2 drops
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as for "I followed everyones instructions on getting NEW bolts "
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Originally Posted by por2gezo
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Okay ... not that I have to re-place my pulley bolts ... what would you all recomend I get my replacements ?

Local Hardware store to buy high grade bolts or use another source ?
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"Local Hardware store???" ---- no

"or use another source ?" ---- ARP
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Originally Posted by por2gezo
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what is ARP ? should I just get the ones from Harley ?
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Originally Posted by Mike650
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ARP = automotive racing products. they specialize in racing fasteners. regular bolts are all chromoly steel with an average of at least 170,000psi fastening strength. even their stainless bolts are in that range. if i ever had to replace vital hardware on my bike, i would buy ARP. cost about the same as what harley would charge but WAY better quality. you can buy them for a good price at summitracing.com thats where i buy them from.
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Mike650 answered the ?what is ARP? question.

image below, ARP fasteners, my 006 FXD, excuse the mud, taken after a ride up and down Cypress Creek Road.
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I stand by my advice to stay away from homedickhole etc,

go with a *high quality* fastener.

such as - ARP
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Old Jul 12, 2012 | 07:06 PM
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Originally Posted by mud
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first, for future reference - you do not need "lots of locktite"

bolts this size - 2 drops
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as for "I followed everyones instructions on getting NEW bolts "
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from earlier in this thread...............
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I stand by my advice to stay away from homedickhole etc,

go with a *high quality* fastener.

such as - ARP
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Also the bolts that broke don't look like the OEMs I use and appear to have Chrome washers?

Do those ARP fasteners happen to have the shoulder extend past the pulley/ sprocket and into the counter bore?
ARP on line is a pain to try and figure out a proper bolt, seems all their fasteners have a specific application and you can't just look up a bolt/stud with specific features you want or that may work for your application.

Personally I have never had any problem with the OEM fasteners and I have replaced them several times swapping out my wheels, but my engine is also stock so I am not overly taxing them either.
 
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Old Jul 12, 2012 | 07:57 PM
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Originally Posted by TheyCallMeJeezy
Have an '06 SG and this thread makes me pretty damn uncomfortable!

Sounds like I should replace them.
Originally Posted by RicMF
Great, I really needed one more thing to be paranoid about. Anybody have the correct bolt size handy, so I can add it to my "things I need to keep on hand" list?
Originally Posted by mondoe
Possible or remove and retorque each season with fresh locktite...
Don't start hyperventilating. These few cases one reads about seem to always involve a highly modified motor, along w/ beating the **** out of it, or an amateur installation w/ lots of paint slathered on everything and giant washers to disengage the questionable bolts' shoulders from their bores.

Originally Posted by por2gezo
IT HAPPENED TO ME !!! All 5 bolts .... snapped ! ...after I followed everyones instructions on getting NEW bolts and using Lots of Locktight ...

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Originally Posted by dynabobster
Also the bolts that broke don't look like the OEMs I use and appear to have Chrome washers?

Do those ARP fasteners happen to have the shoulder extend past the pulley/ sprocket and into the counter bore?...
Rene--Those tab washers are foolproof if you buy the right bolts. No need to re-torque.
 
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Old Jul 12, 2012 | 07:59 PM
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New wheel,correct bolts and red permanent loctite.
 
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Old Jul 12, 2012 | 08:12 PM
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Looks like we all have a new pre-during and after ride check! A quick grab shake and look might prevent a breakdown.
 
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Old Jul 13, 2012 | 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by dynabobster
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do those arp fasteners happen to have the shoulder extend past the pulley/ sprocket and into the counter bore?
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I don't remember now.
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Originally Posted by dynabobster
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Arp on line is a pain to try and figure out a proper bolt, seems all their fasteners have a specific application and you can't just look up a bolt/stud with specific features you want or that may work for your application.
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maybe try the telephone.

.... http://arp-bolts.com/

1 800 826 3045

if you download their catalog it is way easier to navigate

pages 10 - 24 are well worth the read.

and from Smokey Yunick on page 98.
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on “little things” to consider.....
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4. Consider the importance in regard to how many exposed
threads are left when fastener is set. Turns out this has a bearing
on necessary torque and ultimate strength of the fastener.
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and on "Examining the “Over-Kill” fallacy".....
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If there’s one thing I’ve heard over and over from visitors to
trade shows and races it’s,“Your fasteners are great. I’m not having
any problems but I’m being told, by your competitors, that ARP is overkill
and therefore I’m wasting some money when I buy ARP pan bolts,
manifold bolts or just about everything except for certain critical
engine, drive train or suspension fasteners.” My first instinct is to
say they are full of _ _ _ _.
But the subject is worth talking about. Cost is an important
consideration when you choose a particular vendor’s offering. Still,
if you use lesser quality fasteners and they were not subject to many
assembly and disassembly cycles, by people with varying skills
from professional to rank amateur. Maybe, just maybe, you could
make a case for minimum grade fasteners that are over designed,
size-wise, to allow a reasonably safe application for conservative
usage.
Now, lets get back in our world. The real world. We can expect
the engines and vehicles to be leaned on, from a little to beyond any
sensible extreme. We can expect 10 or more assembly/disassembly
cycles. We can expect over-torquing, which will leave the fastener
looking 100% but actually in a condition RED, semi-failed mode.
We can expect some fasteners that are minimal in quality to end
up in a critical, high-stress area. We can’t expect everyone to be
able to look at a fastener and determine its quality by looks, or
even by markings. So we leave ourselves wide open for expensive
and possibly dangerous results. For the amount of money saved by
“type rating” every fastener’s capability, and consideration of a long
range view of the best mix of customers, I recommend all fasteners
be of a quality that does exceed the minimum standards.
end of quote from Smokey Yunick.
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Originally Posted by dynabobster
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Personally i have never had any problem with the oem fasteners and i have replaced them several times swapping out my wheels, but my engine is also stock so i am not overly taxing them either.
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from day one it's been pedal on the bellhousing for me.

I had zero issues with the HD fasteners.
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Old Jul 13, 2012 | 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by RIPSAW
New wheel,correct bolts and red permanent loctite.
And lets not forget a new pulley - hard to believe anyone would suggest reusing that wheel, repairing it will only be a band aid until the next time it fails (much sooner) which could hurt (or worse) if it happens at the wrong moment - both the wheel and the pulley belong in the scrap pile.
 
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