Power Vision Information Thread
It's been quiet on the beta updates. I see the docs that were linked have been removed. Has anyone been in touch with the powers that be? When I get back home I'll be doing one more VE tuning run then begin with the timing. For those that have done it, did you set the max spark to 10 and how did it work for you?
For those currently using Power Vision that are interested in trying these new features we do have a Beta version I would be more than happy to share. Just send an email to jamie@fuelmotousa.com
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The USA's Leader V-Twin EFI & Performance www.fuelmotousa.com
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Email jamie@fuelmotousa.com
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As many of you know in the next several weeks there will be a pretty significant Power Vision firmware update, all of these new features and changes will be listed at that time on the FM website. The huge step forward is the full functionality of the Auto Tune Basic/Pro right on the touch screen display which allows you to make tune updates/corrections very easily. You will no longer need to export your logs and use the WinPV/Log Tuner software to populate tune corrections, no computer is needed! (although you can certainly continue to do so) With the new Auto Tune you have the ability to choose either the factory sensors or Dynojet AT/Wideband sensors and there are many other unique features as well. There will also be several new tables exposed in the tune items. Another new feature is called "Quick Tune" which allows you to adjust/tune most major tables and switches right from the PV display as well, this includes VE, Spark, Lambda/AF, Adaptive Control, and many others.
For those currently using Power Vision that are interested in trying these new features we do have a Beta version I would be more than happy to share. Just send an email to jamie@fuelmotousa.com
For those currently using Power Vision that are interested in trying these new features we do have a Beta version I would be more than happy to share. Just send an email to jamie@fuelmotousa.com
I still tend to do the tuning on my laptop (probably more out of habit and because I find it enjoyable), but I've also used the PV tuning capability without a laptop. I really like the "zone" approach to making adjustments on the road. "Zone tuning" simplifies the process alot since most riders think in terms of their bike's performance in mental zones: idle/low loads, lugging, medium loads, high loads and decel.
These zones naturally come to mind when I'm riding as an area of the bike's performance that is "good" or "not so good". Therefore making adjustments using this thinking seems natural. It's obviously not as precise as adjusting a specific cell or set of cells as you can do in WinPV, but the reality is you really can't "feel" a specific cell. What you feel is a range of cells as organized in the new PV beta.
I also like being able to turn the knock control on/off while on the road. While its not a feature for everyone, I find it useful as it allows you to hear if there is pinging and make adjustments based on sound not just seat performance.
I'll be interested to read how the autotune feature works with the stock O2 sensors.
One small item I wish was to have some way to link a data run to a specific map or some type of identifier. I've found that if I take a long ride and decide to data log with 1 map and then later change the map and wish to datalog on the second map, it can get confusing if you have more than a handful of data runs. It becomes difficult to remember which data runs go to the second map vs the 1st map. If I'm missing a method to make the link, I would welcome the input on how to distringuish data runs that come from separate maps.
One small item I wish was to have some way to link a data run to a specific map or some type of identifier. I've found that if I take a long ride and decide to data log with 1 map and then later change the map and wish to datalog on the second map, it can get confusing if you have more than a handful of data runs. It becomes difficult to remember which data runs go to the second map vs the 1st map. If I'm missing a method to make the link, I would welcome the input on how to distringuish data runs that come from separate maps.
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When using the latest Beta firmware and the automated Auto Tune process you do not need to match your map to your datalog as it exports a complete calibration to the Tune Manager that is ready to flash, it is also labeled accordingly in sequence such as AutoTunedResults.0001.1 and so on. On the other hand if you are using PV Log Tuner software to populate your corrections manually it is essential to use the correct calibration and logs.
Can you refresh my memory of Autotune will allow you specific paramters to "Autotune", ie Auto the fuel and VE but not the spk advance? Since autotune will not increase spk advance, there may be situations where you might not want Autotune to change all parameters.
Thanks Jamie, my issue was when using the PV Log Tuner since the match up between the data run and the map that generated it is a manual process. Going forward with the autotune may eliminate the issue.
Can you refresh my memory of Autotune will allow you specific paramters to "Autotune", ie Auto the fuel and VE but not the spk advance? Since autotune will not increase spk advance, there may be situations where you might not want Autotune to change all parameters.
Can you refresh my memory of Autotune will allow you specific paramters to "Autotune", ie Auto the fuel and VE but not the spk advance? Since autotune will not increase spk advance, there may be situations where you might not want Autotune to change all parameters.
Min Hit Count (ticks) The minimum number of hits on a cell for learning to take place.
Min VE Learn (Percent) The minimum amount a VE cell needs to learn before a change will take place.
Max VE Learn (Percent) The maximum amount a VE cell is allowed to change, in VE units. Set this to 0 to disable VE learning.
Min Spark Learn (Degrees) The minimum amount a Spark cell needs to learn before a change will take place.
Max Spark Learn (Degrees) The maximum amount, in degrees, that a Spark cell is allowed to change. Set this to 0 to disable Spark learning. A good starting value would 10 degrees.
Min WB Lambda (Lambda) The richest value as measured on the Wideband in Pro Mode that is allowed. This is in Lambda.
Max WB Lambda (Lambda) The leanest value as measured on the Wideband in Pro Mode where learning is allowed. This is in Lambda.
Min Engine Temp (DegC) The coldest engine temperature where learning is allowed, entered in Degrees Celcius.
Max Engine Temp (DegC) The maximum engine temperature where learning is allowed, entered in Degrees Celcius.
Min RPM (rpm) The minimum engine speed where learning is allowed, in RPM.
Max RPM (rpm) The maximum engine speed where learning is allowed, in RPM.
Min MAP (KPA) The minimum MAP value where learning is allowed. This is used to filter out deceleration events.
Max MAP (KPA) The maximum MAP value where learning is allowed. This is usually marked as not used and set to something high, like 120 KPA.
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You have the ability to control the parameters that allow for tune corrections when using the automated Auto Tune on the PV device, it is really slick. Here is the list of configurations:
Min Hit Count (ticks) The minimum number of hits on a cell for learning to take place.
Min VE Learn (Percent) The minimum amount a VE cell needs to learn before a change will take place.
Max VE Learn (Percent) The maximum amount a VE cell is allowed to change, in VE units. Set this to 0 to disable VE learning.
Min Spark Learn (Degrees) The minimum amount a Spark cell needs to learn before a change will take place.
Max Spark Learn (Degrees) The maximum amount, in degrees, that a Spark cell is allowed to change. Set this to 0 to disable Spark learning. A good starting value would 10 degrees.
Min WB Lambda (Lambda) The richest value as measured on the Wideband in Pro Mode that is allowed. This is in Lambda.
Max WB Lambda (Lambda) The leanest value as measured on the Wideband in Pro Mode where learning is allowed. This is in Lambda.
Min Engine Temp (DegC) The coldest engine temperature where learning is allowed, entered in Degrees Celcius.
Max Engine Temp (DegC) The maximum engine temperature where learning is allowed, entered in Degrees Celcius.
Min RPM (rpm) The minimum engine speed where learning is allowed, in RPM.
Max RPM (rpm) The maximum engine speed where learning is allowed, in RPM.
Min MAP (KPA) The minimum MAP value where learning is allowed. This is used to filter out deceleration events.
Max MAP (KPA) The maximum MAP value where learning is allowed. This is usually marked as not used and set to something high, like 120 KPA.
Min Hit Count (ticks) The minimum number of hits on a cell for learning to take place.
Min VE Learn (Percent) The minimum amount a VE cell needs to learn before a change will take place.
Max VE Learn (Percent) The maximum amount a VE cell is allowed to change, in VE units. Set this to 0 to disable VE learning.
Min Spark Learn (Degrees) The minimum amount a Spark cell needs to learn before a change will take place.
Max Spark Learn (Degrees) The maximum amount, in degrees, that a Spark cell is allowed to change. Set this to 0 to disable Spark learning. A good starting value would 10 degrees.
Min WB Lambda (Lambda) The richest value as measured on the Wideband in Pro Mode that is allowed. This is in Lambda.
Max WB Lambda (Lambda) The leanest value as measured on the Wideband in Pro Mode where learning is allowed. This is in Lambda.
Min Engine Temp (DegC) The coldest engine temperature where learning is allowed, entered in Degrees Celcius.
Max Engine Temp (DegC) The maximum engine temperature where learning is allowed, entered in Degrees Celcius.
Min RPM (rpm) The minimum engine speed where learning is allowed, in RPM.
Max RPM (rpm) The maximum engine speed where learning is allowed, in RPM.
Min MAP (KPA) The minimum MAP value where learning is allowed. This is used to filter out deceleration events.
Max MAP (KPA) The maximum MAP value where learning is allowed. This is usually marked as not used and set to something high, like 120 KPA.
Is this currently in the Beta or is this coming with the final release of AutoTune?
i am using the beta version. I am wondering if all functions will be updated on the PV screen when using the Datalog-Gauges screen. i can see MAP and ET, but wondering if the KNOCK Fnt & R counts still do count... any idea ?
i just did one run using the new Beta AT Basic tune option.. so far looks good...
i just did one run using the new Beta AT Basic tune option.. so far looks good...
There have been quite a few different Beta versions as we get close to the production release, features have been added along the way and some features are only in the latest version which is 1.0.15-1159. If anyone would like to try this version just send me an email at jamie@fuelmotousa.com
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General Q: I can't seem to get the "editor settings" file menu to show in WinPV. How else can I change my fuel dialog to AFR instead of default Lambda? I already logged my runs in AFR is why I ask. 
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Open the map in WinPV, display the AFR table, look for check box in upper right to switch between Lambda and AFR. This doesn't change your bike only the display in WInPV