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Old Sep 26, 2014 | 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Makdaddy
Knock sensor have been known to pick up ghost readings.
Example loose exhaust bolt causing a vibration under certain RPM simulates a Knock condition.
So do some research on False Knock
That may be your issue
Remember if you disable the sensors and you are having detonation, you will jack your engine up sooner rather then later

These are the issues I have found in cars I have modded. I have not gotten to tuning the Ultra yet, my tuner is in the mail. Mods will start this winter
The ion knock detection system on our bikes does not detect vibrations, it detects increased resistance due to ion buildup on the spark plug during knocking. There is nothing other than knocks that will cause this, so it can't be vibrations.
 
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Old Sep 26, 2014 | 01:57 PM
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You might want to check with DJ or FM on that. As well as adjusting VE's based on what you feel they should be.Just sayin...
 
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Old Sep 26, 2014 | 02:01 PM
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Originally Posted by sdwold
I use the log file from the flash after the auto tune, but when I reduced timing to stop the knock events, they got worse. I did another 2 auto tunes today and rode it pretty hard with several high load throttle tunes and got a rather large 7% change in the VE tables. Guess it isnt ready for AFR and knock adjustments just yet. Unfortunately the rain has arrived...
If you haven't already, why don't you shoot an email out to Dynojet and ask the people who know.
I'm sure they can answer it.

pvtech@dynojet.com
 
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Old Sep 26, 2014 | 02:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Red Dragons
The ion knock detection system on our bikes does not detect vibrations, it detects increased resistance due to ion buildup on the spark plug during knocking. There is nothing other than knocks that will cause this, so it can't be vibrations.

Thanks
Im just starting to mod my Bike. only had it a few months.
Good info Looks like Ill be on a new learning curve for a while
 
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Old Sep 26, 2014 | 03:42 PM
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Hi,

Hey red dragons how you going with your bike at the moment? Are you running open loop or closed loop? What has been outcome with O2 sensors and VE's etc
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Old Sep 26, 2014 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Smokey Stover
You might want to check with DJ or FM on that. As well as adjusting VE's based on what you feel they should be.Just sayin...
FM is welcome to chime in on this thread whenever. I'd be curious to hear their thoughts on some of our issues. I've contacted DJ a few times. They were less than helpful, except to say what I firmly believe...that there is no need to run closed loop on these bikes, except to keep it within the completely arbitrary and idiotic EPA emissions standards. These bikes always run better when in open loop.

Oh and here's a post about the ion detection system.
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/engin...explained.html
 
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Old Sep 26, 2014 | 04:21 PM
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Originally Posted by mirrmu
Hi,
I would check spark plug gap as well, unless your timing at that point really high or abnormal I would change VE in that area first, ie raise VE
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Why???
 
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Old Sep 26, 2014 | 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by mirrmu
Hi,

Hey red dragons how you going with your bike at the moment? Are you running open loop or closed loop? What has been outcome with O2 sensors and VE's etc
Thanks
Mirrmu
See all my current tables I posted below. The VEs and spark tables I posted are the comparisons to stock.

I've been running all open loop. I replaced both my O2 sensors, saw almost no change, but at least I ruled them out. My VEs are based on stock but tweaked manually using the AT results as a guide, spark plug readings, and performance, manually enriching important areas like WOT and areas where I get consistent knocking. I've spent a lot of time with my spark tables trying to get rid of all knocking, but it seems no matter what I do there is no way to get rid of all of them. I'm at the point I think I'm gonna just leave it where it is and let knock detection retard if and when it needs to. I don't want to retard my tables any more than I already have.

I still think that my knocking is mostly due to the very high levels of carbon buildup on the tops of my pistons that I posted borescope pics of a while back. Still haven't figured out why I have such bad deposits on a low mileage engine, but I plan on rerouting my crankcase vapors to outside the intake very soon.
 
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Old Sep 26, 2014 | 04:40 PM
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Old Sep 26, 2014 | 04:45 PM
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