Power Vision Information Thread
Road Captain
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From: Perkasie Pa
Jack, my 07 EGC would show high numbers on the high end of the RPM range and WOT. The AT would work fine down lower, but always want to scale up, or cap when I got up high. I never got to the bottom of this until I took my bike out to FuelMoto for some engne upgrades.
LA Dog, this is something I never thought of but it makes perfect sense. Will try a few more auto tunes, and pull the tank and fuel pump. May just be a clogged filter, only way to tell is to pull it. Stock engectors should be fine for the amount of work I have done to the motor. And will not spend the cash for a dyno till I have completed the mods I want to do. Right now running in open loop only, well get the VE's closer before throwing more money at it.
Thanks,
Jack
LA Dog, this is something I never thought of but it makes perfect sense. Will try a few more auto tunes, and pull the tank and fuel pump. May just be a clogged filter, only way to tell is to pull it. Stock engectors should be fine for the amount of work I have done to the motor. And will not spend the cash for a dyno till I have completed the mods I want to do. Right now running in open loop only, well get the VE's closer before throwing more money at it.
Thanks,
Jack
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From: 90210
Jack, my 07 EGC would show high numbers on the high end of the RPM range and WOT. The AT would work fine down lower, but always want to scale up, or cap when I got up high. I never got to the bottom of this until I took my bike out to FuelMoto for some engne upgrades.
LA Dog, this is something I never thought of but it makes perfect sense. Will try a few more auto tunes, and pull the tank and fuel pump. May just be a clogged filter, only way to tell is to pull it. Stock engectors should be fine for the amount of work I have done to the motor. And will not spend the cash for a dyno till I have completed the mods I want to do. Right now running in open loop only, well get the VE's closer before throwing more money at it.
Thanks,
Jack
LA Dog, this is something I never thought of but it makes perfect sense. Will try a few more auto tunes, and pull the tank and fuel pump. May just be a clogged filter, only way to tell is to pull it. Stock engectors should be fine for the amount of work I have done to the motor. And will not spend the cash for a dyno till I have completed the mods I want to do. Right now running in open loop only, well get the VE's closer before throwing more money at it.
Thanks,
Jack
Open csv log file in excel
Sort "Z-A" for MAP and expand sort to cover all columns.
Look across the rows for your highest MAP at highest RPM's - What does the largest percentage show for IDC and what does the largest millisecond reading show for INJ-PWR? For example, on my Breakout I can hit 5000 rpm at 100 map and my injector duty cycle F/R is over 93%!
This data will help tell you if your fuel delivery system is adequate for the motor under all conditions, or if it needs to be upgraded.
Last edited by LA_Dog; Aug 9, 2015 at 11:53 AM.
When the ECM is building adaptive corrections it is not making corrections to the actual calibriation side of things, it is storing the learned values as block learn in non-volatile memory. And while its not on the table at the moment, at some point we may be able to develop an application such as a screen on the PV where we could read back the corrections and overlay them with the PV calibration
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The USA's Leader V-Twin EFI & Performance www.fuelmotousa.com
Contact 920-423-3309
Email jamie@fuelmotousa.com
Thanks for the added info and partial answer- I am hoping Jamie can give some added specifics. Yes the 18mm bungs would go into the same location as the present NB bungs. I would not use bung adapters but rather, cut and re-weld the proper bung on the pipe, or get pipes that come with WB O2 bungs. I'm curious about wiring because IIRC the HD ECM uses NB O2 wiring- so I'm assuming the WB O2 sensor wiring goes directly to the TT module?
The TT-Auto Tune application on the PV is similar to AT-Pro, however the most significant difference is that TT-AT uses the actual AF/Lambda targets that are in the calibration rather than setting the entire Fuel table to 13.0 AFR like AT-Pro.
So those if us unlucky enough to not have closed loop, but lucky enough to have upgradable ECMs, can we still play with target tune (with my 04, upgrade to an 05 ECM)? And if so will I have to install narrow band as well or can I use only the air tune pro widebands I already have?
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From: Upstate SC
**Power Vision Information Thread**Sticky Approved by Admin
Originally Posted by fuelmoto
When the ECM is building adaptive corrections it is not making corrections to the actual calibriation side of things, it is storing the learned values as block learn in non-volatile memory. And while its not on the table at the moment, at some point we may be able to develop an application such as a screen on the PV where we could read back the corrections and overlay them with the PV calibration
I would really like to see the ability to apply the learned values back to the map to update it. Seems like the next logical step and would add huge value to Target Tune.
If you are in TT-AT mode you have the ability to view the recommended +/- fuel corrections and apply them to the base map. If you want to view live corrections outside of AT mode you can view CLI and AFF for direct representation of the corrections being made in real time. There is also some really cool stuff you can do in Megalogviewer HD that I will put together and explain at a later time.
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From: Olive & Oak
Eagerly awaiting this part. As a teaser, can you let me know the best channels to log so I will have the data when you have time to put this together?
Road Warrior
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From: Upstate SC
**Power Vision Information Thread**Sticky Approved by Admin
Originally Posted by fuelmoto
If you are in TT-AT mode you have the ability to view the recommended +/- fuel corrections and apply them to the base map. If you want to view live corrections outside of AT mode you can view CLI and AFF for direct representation of the corrections being made in real time. There is also some really cool stuff you can do in Megalogviewer HD that I will put together and explain at a later time.
Last edited by JustDennis; Aug 10, 2015 at 04:36 PM.