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I have base 96 engine and s and s 583 ezstart cams with d and d fat cat along with kn intake kit that uses the stock cover. I also recently converted to external breathers. Was very tricky to get the appropriate map to start with because not many people use the 583 CAM. Took some trial and error but I love the bike now since the target tune finished off my tune..
Let me explain. First buying from Fuel Moto is the smartest move anyone can made. I want to get that straight. This is not my first PV.
They do not last for ever the head units go bad in time . The touch screens stop working ect. Once out of warranty you are out of luck with it.
Have one in a box here some where screen comes and goes.
The one I currently have is 2 years old and the great extended warranty Fuel moto offers has run out. Why would I pay $200 to add it to my new bike , knowing it will not likely last until my next trade in 1 year 11 months.
I would rather just give it to who ever buys the one I traded in and tell them enjoy. Should I decide to go with another PV I would with out a doubt purchase it from Fuel Moto.
At this time with 1200 plus miles on my 2016 RGU wet head it is running flawlessly. I do want to give it some time before I mess with it to much. Have not chosen pipes yet and the Fuel Moto 2-1-2 ceramic coated heads are hanging on the wall waiting to go on.
Dealer I go to is one I have done business with for a life time purchased many new bikes from them they treat me right . The Tuner they have knows what he is doing been at it a while.
My attraction to the PV2 is not as much the tuner as all of the others things it can do.
This is discouraging
Im on the fence
I have a PCV and autotune.
But I want to monitor AFR while I ride (Real Time)
My options are
#1 POD 300 added to my current system
#2 Innovate Motorsports DLG-1 gauge install and pull the autotune
#3 Trade my PCV for a Vision and maybe upgrade to the Target tune.
I was really leaning toward Option 3 till I read the above quoted post.
If the PV only lasts a few years Im prob gonna do option 2
I know the Gauge in the dash will outlive the 02 sensors.
Anyone else experience issues with the PV having problems after 2 years?
Last edited by Makdaddy; Sep 22, 2015 at 01:44 PM.
This is discouraging
Im on the fence
I have a PCV and autotune.
But I want to monitor AFR while I ride (Real Time)
My options are
#1 POD 300 added to my current system
#2 Innovate Motorsports DLG-1 gauge install and pull the autotune
#3 Trade my PCV for a Vision and maybe upgrade to the Target tune.
I was really leaning toward Option 3 till I read the above quoted post.
If the PV only lasts a few years Im prob gonna do option 2
I know the Gauge in the dash will outlive the 02 sensors.
Anyone else experience issues with the PV having problems after 2 years?
The Power Vision is a very robust unit. We have many thousands of them in the field and I can count on one hand the number we have warrantied ever. We have been using the same unit in house in the dyno room day in-day out with hundreds of tune licenses married to it since 2011, this unit has been "well used" and still works perfectly. If anyone has a PV unit they have purchased from Fuel Moto with any kind of issues even if it is out of warranty in most cases we can take care of it, the only exception is if there is physical damage such as if it had been dropped or if the screen is damaged. (like the unit that was sent in non-functional that had dog bites on the screen)
Jamie beat me to it, In about 3 years I've had mine and been following this monster thread, There have been only 2 or 3 I can remember with issues that were promptly taken care of by FM or DJ.
I just ran another datalog with the correct sensors which is attached.
I am not able to get the O2 voltage or the CLI to show any data when I datalog. I think this is because my bike is a 2005 which is an open loop system that does not use the narrowband O2 sensors. I am using the Auutotune Pro with the wideband sensors to tune it. It will only allow me to log AFR or Lambda from the wideband O2 sensors. I went ahead and logged AFR but I don't know if that will help or not.
Hopefully this datalog has enough info that it can give you an idea of what the issue is and how to solve it.
The Power Vision is a very robust unit. We have many thousands of them in the field and I can count on one hand the number we have warrantied ever. We have been using the same unit in house in the dyno room day in-day out with hundreds of tune licenses married to it since 2011, this unit has been "well used" and still works perfectly. If anyone has a PV unit they have purchased from Fuel Moto with any kind of issues even if it is out of warranty in most cases we can take care of it, the only exception is if there is physical damage such as if it had been dropped or if the screen is damaged. (like the unit that was sent in non-functional that had dog bites on the screen)
Originally Posted by Smokey Stover
Jamie beat me to it, In about 3 years I've had mine and been following this monster thread, There have been only 2 or 3 I can remember with issues that were promptly taken care of by FM or DJ.
Thanks for the input
Im still debating
But this helps
I just ran another datalog with the correct sensors which is attached.
I am not able to get the O2 voltage or the CLI to show any data when I datalog. I think this is because my bike is a 2005 which is an open loop system that does not use the narrowband O2 sensors. I am using the Auutotune Pro with the wideband sensors to tune it. It will only allow me to log AFR or Lambda from the wideband O2 sensors. I went ahead and logged AFR but I don't know if that will help or not.
Hopefully this datalog has enough info that it can give you an idea of what the issue is and how to solve it.
Once again, thanks for the help.
Well, not enough info for me in the second log, but I was able to narrow things down in the first.
That little hiccup spot occurs in a very tight range of RPM, MAP and TP. RPM is between 1800 and 2200, MAP is between 26-32 KPa, and throttle position is less than 0.5% - so closed. You knew the RPM range and TP, but the MAP gives a little more info.
Now at that RPM with a closed throttle, I'd expect to see low MAP, but you've got a cruising MAP with throttle maybe 5%-10%. I'm thinking intake reversion (duh-duh -duhhhh - Just like Jamie said, whatcha know...).
Again, just like Jamie said, you can set the MAP min to about 30 KPa and it PV should ignore that area.
Here's the MAPx RPM vs Duty cycle front without filter...
And here's the same graph with only those pints less than 30 KPa...
And here it is with only those pints greater than 35 KPa.
Hate to say it but it looks like your cut off is about 35 KPa... anything less than 35 left that "hump".
Well, not enough info for me in the second log, but I was able to narrow things down in the first.
That little hiccup spot occurs in a very tight range of RPM, MAP and TP. RPM is between 1800 and 2200, MAP is between 26-32 KPa, and throttle position is less than 0.5% - so closed. You knew the RPM range and TP, but the MAP gives a little more info.
Now at that RPM with a closed throttle, I'd expect to see low MAP, but you've got a cruising MAP with throttle maybe 5%-10%. I'm thinking intake reversion (duh-duh -duhhhh - Just like Jamie said, whatcha know...).
Again, just like Jamie said, you can set the MAP min to about 30 KPa and it PV should ignore that area.
The VE's I originally posted were after running autotunes with the minimum MAP set to 30. What other options do I have to deal with this problem?
The VE's I originally posted were after running autotunes with the minimum MAP set to 30. What other options do I have to deal with this problem?
Thanks
Yep, took another look and it looks like you wont get rid of that issue until about 35 KPA (see edited graphs above).
The only other thing I can think of is manually inputting the VEs for those two areas using adjacent cells, or interpolating between cells. It is in the 0% TP so little to gain or loose...
Yep, took another look and it looks like you wont get rid of that issue until about 35 KPA (see edited graphs above).
The only other thing I can think of is manually inputting the VEs for those two areas using adjacent cells, or interpolating between cells. It is in the 0% TP so little to gain or loose...
Thanks for the advice. I'll give it a try manually inputting the VE's in those cells.
Once I manually input the VE's and go on some more autotune runs, do I just continue to manually adjust those cells back down every few autotunes until I get less than 5% change in the VE's?
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