Power Vision Information Thread
Road Captain
Joined: Aug 2014
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From: 42.5833° N, 114.4667° W
Really appreciate it fellas.
I just don't want to cause any issues.
Ive got the auto tune pro, as well.
I havent delved into the VE or AFR parameters yet.
Almost blinding... a bit intimidating.
I just gotta dive in.
I can read this whole thread until I'm blue in the face but won't really understand until I actually do it.
Again, just don't want to do any harm to anything.
I just don't want to cause any issues.
Ive got the auto tune pro, as well.
I havent delved into the VE or AFR parameters yet.
Almost blinding... a bit intimidating.
I just gotta dive in.
I can read this whole thread until I'm blue in the face but won't really understand until I actually do it.
Again, just don't want to do any harm to anything.
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Joined: Jun 2014
Posts: 3,185
Likes: 189
From: 90210
Really appreciate it fellas.
I just don't want to cause any issues.
Ive got the auto tune pro, as well.
I havent delved into the VE or AFR parameters yet.
Almost blinding... a bit intimidating.
I just gotta dive in.
I can read this whole thread until I'm blue in the face but won't really understand until I actually do it.
Again, just don't want to do any harm to anything.
I just don't want to cause any issues.
Ive got the auto tune pro, as well.
I havent delved into the VE or AFR parameters yet.
Almost blinding... a bit intimidating.
I just gotta dive in.
I can read this whole thread until I'm blue in the face but won't really understand until I actually do it.
Again, just don't want to do any harm to anything.
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Joined: Jun 2014
Posts: 3,185
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From: 90210
Bullast- Grab this and read pages 40-50: http://diag4bike.eu/data/tuning-training.pdf
Read this particularly section 2.6 on the page: http://diag4bike.eu/help/hd/hd-tunin...l-maps-summary
This is short and good as well, scroll down to section 3.5: http://diag4bike.eu/help/hd/hd-tunin...e/default.html
Some good clear examples and explanations on how VE, AFR relate to tuning HD Delphi.
Read this particularly section 2.6 on the page: http://diag4bike.eu/help/hd/hd-tunin...l-maps-summary
This is short and good as well, scroll down to section 3.5: http://diag4bike.eu/help/hd/hd-tunin...e/default.html
Some good clear examples and explanations on how VE, AFR relate to tuning HD Delphi.
Last edited by LA_Dog; May 13, 2015 at 12:31 PM.
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Joined: May 2015
Posts: 26
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From: New York
Need some help with Decel popping. Some background, my bike is a 2010 SG running a arlen ness Beveled Inverted Air Cleaner with a 2011 stock exhaust with the baffles removed. running a power vision.
I'm struggling to remove the decel popping which happens between 1st and second.
I have a fuel moto map. FM (Jamie) who has been great with help on maps but still have no luck removing the popping. I have checked all the gaskets and have no leaks which I can tell. So I took the last map which FM created and have run 6 auto tunes on it with a little better results. So can anyone take a look at the base map and the last auto tune to see what is changed maybe recommend some changes to help with this problem?
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/attac...1&d=1431478185
Thanks guys.
John
I'm struggling to remove the decel popping which happens between 1st and second.
I have a fuel moto map. FM (Jamie) who has been great with help on maps but still have no luck removing the popping. I have checked all the gaskets and have no leaks which I can tell. So I took the last map which FM created and have run 6 auto tunes on it with a little better results. So can anyone take a look at the base map and the last auto tune to see what is changed maybe recommend some changes to help with this problem?
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/attac...1&d=1431478185
Thanks guys.
John
Sorry for jumping on this thread, I installed the new map from Fuel moto(jamie) and all is fixed on my end. Hats off to FM.
John
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From: Ashby, Ma
Really appreciate it fellas.
I just don't want to cause any issues.
Ive got the auto tune pro, as well.
I havent delved into the VE or AFR parameters yet.
Almost blinding... a bit intimidating.
I just gotta dive in.
I can read this whole thread until I'm blue in the face but won't really understand until I actually do it.
Again, just don't want to do any harm to anything.
I just don't want to cause any issues.
Ive got the auto tune pro, as well.
I havent delved into the VE or AFR parameters yet.
Almost blinding... a bit intimidating.
I just gotta dive in.
I can read this whole thread until I'm blue in the face but won't really understand until I actually do it.
Again, just don't want to do any harm to anything.
After that, with a stock Stage 1 bike, (no cams or other engine mods) you are pretty much done, other than working on getting any decel popping or other issues like that resolved.
Other things to learn to do is use the PV as a set of engine guages to look at engine temp, knock events and other parameters. These last couple of things are down the road for you. Don't get overwhelmed.. learn how to do and flash and Autotune run.
Last edited by oldhippie; May 15, 2015 at 08:30 AM. Reason: eliminate mention of Logtuner for PV2 bikes
Road Captain
Joined: Aug 2014
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From: 42.5833° N, 114.4667° W
I gotta say thanks much to LA Dog, and everyone else, for the info and help.
Im sure there was a couple "holy sh*t" moments with a "just go do it dude."
Well, I did.
I shot him a PM yesterday with yet ANOTHER ridic question.
Right after sending that, I loaded Jamies map and rode.... and rode...
Bike ran GREAT!
The decel pop I was having with the tune that HD put on with the SERT is now a decel GROWL.
I love it.
Gotta get the Auto Tune hooked up still. Bit more involved than I expected but not intimidating like the tech stuff.
Thanks all!
Im sure there was a couple "holy sh*t" moments with a "just go do it dude."
Well, I did.
I shot him a PM yesterday with yet ANOTHER ridic question.
Right after sending that, I loaded Jamies map and rode.... and rode...
Bike ran GREAT!
The decel pop I was having with the tune that HD put on with the SERT is now a decel GROWL.
I love it.
Gotta get the Auto Tune hooked up still. Bit more involved than I expected but not intimidating like the tech stuff.
Thanks all!
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Joined: Jun 2014
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From: 90210
The first thing you need to learn to do is Aututune. This will dial in, over a small series of repetitive runs the VE tables for your bike. (It will be closer than the tune you've been sent as a starting point.) When the VE tables are dialed in that is matching the proper air running through the whole intake/engine/exhaust system with the fuel set table in the PV, and bingo, the bike will run as smoother and feel a bit more responsive.
After that, with a stock Stage 1 bike, (no cams or other engine mods) you are pretty much done, other than working on getting any decel popping or other issues like that resolved.
There are other things you can do from there, like work on solving any pinging or engine knock you might have, but you may not have any. If you do, you can learn to run Logtuner (a separate Powervision program) and do some datting logging, while riding and then see if you need might need to adjust Spark timing tables.
Other things to learn to do is use the PV as a set of engine guages to look at engine temp, knock events and other parameters. These last couple of things are down the road for you. Don't get overwhelmed.. learn how to do and flash and Autotune run.
After that, with a stock Stage 1 bike, (no cams or other engine mods) you are pretty much done, other than working on getting any decel popping or other issues like that resolved.
There are other things you can do from there, like work on solving any pinging or engine knock you might have, but you may not have any. If you do, you can learn to run Logtuner (a separate Powervision program) and do some datting logging, while riding and then see if you need might need to adjust Spark timing tables.
Other things to learn to do is use the PV as a set of engine guages to look at engine temp, knock events and other parameters. These last couple of things are down the road for you. Don't get overwhelmed.. learn how to do and flash and Autotune run.
That is unfortunate as I think LogTuner would still be a valuable tuning tool- But DJ does not really seem to offer much help or care at all with anything PV2-related. Seems like their sole any only focus now is on the Dynojet equipment stuff. Maybe FM will do something to get it to actually work again. Would require some simple code changes to the application that's about it.
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Joined: Jun 2014
Posts: 3,185
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From: 90210
I gotta say thanks much to LA Dog, and everyone else, for the info and help.
Im sure there was a couple "holy sh*t" moments with a "just go do it dude."
Well, I did.
I shot him a PM yesterday with yet ANOTHER ridic question.
Right after sending that, I loaded Jamies map and rode.... and rode...
Bike ran GREAT!
The decel pop I was having with the tune that HD put on with the SERT is now a decel GROWL.
I love it.
Gotta get the Auto Tune hooked up still. Bit more involved than I expected but not intimidating like the tech stuff.
Thanks all!
Im sure there was a couple "holy sh*t" moments with a "just go do it dude."
Well, I did.
I shot him a PM yesterday with yet ANOTHER ridic question.
Right after sending that, I loaded Jamies map and rode.... and rode...
Bike ran GREAT!
The decel pop I was having with the tune that HD put on with the SERT is now a decel GROWL.
I love it.
Gotta get the Auto Tune hooked up still. Bit more involved than I expected but not intimidating like the tech stuff.
Thanks all!
What you could do is run autotune pro on the FM tune to get VE's 100% dialed in to your motor, then save it to a second slot in the PV2 as a new tune. you can load that new tune and ride it for comparison, and run another auto-tune session on it if needed. You may need 2-5 autotune sessions before it is within 3% or less of changes. once you are done with that you'll have reasonably accurate VE's combined with the other FM tune settings. once you do this a couple of times it's pretty easy- the only hard part is the first time and getting familiar with the PV2 and process.
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Steve not sure if you're aware but LogTuner is no longer available or applicable to the PV2- sure, you can download LogTuner from FM website but it won't load the PV2 logs or pvv export- there is the "file fixer" exe from one of our members here that will fix the PV2 logs and pvv export so it will actually load in LogTuner, but, it will not do any differential or suggestion calculations. e.g. it is worthless to anyone with a PV2.
That is unfortunate as I think LogTuner would still be a valuable tuning tool- But DJ does not really seem to offer much help or care at all with anything PV2-related. Seems like their sole any only focus now is on the Dynojet equipment stuff. Maybe FM will do something to get it to actually work again. Would require some simple code changes to the application that's about it.
That is unfortunate as I think LogTuner would still be a valuable tuning tool- But DJ does not really seem to offer much help or care at all with anything PV2-related. Seems like their sole any only focus now is on the Dynojet equipment stuff. Maybe FM will do something to get it to actually work again. Would require some simple code changes to the application that's about it.
http://www.powercommander.com/downlo...5449.19123.exe
Road Captain
Joined: Aug 2014
Posts: 597
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From: 42.5833° N, 114.4667° W
Glad you are all good for now brother. hey if you are not gonna use the AT Pro kit you can send it to me, I'll use it
What you could do is run autotune pro on the FM tune to get VE's 100% dialed in to your motor, then save it to a second slot in the PV2 as a new tune. you can load that new tune and ride it for comparison, and run another auto-tune session on it if needed. You may need 2-5 autotune sessions before it is within 3% or less of changes. once you are done with that you'll have reasonably accurate VE's combined with the other FM tune settings. once you do this a couple of times it's pretty easy- the only hard part is the first time and getting familiar with the PV2 and process.
What you could do is run autotune pro on the FM tune to get VE's 100% dialed in to your motor, then save it to a second slot in the PV2 as a new tune. you can load that new tune and ride it for comparison, and run another auto-tune session on it if needed. You may need 2-5 autotune sessions before it is within 3% or less of changes. once you are done with that you'll have reasonably accurate VE's combined with the other FM tune settings. once you do this a couple of times it's pretty easy- the only hard part is the first time and getting familiar with the PV2 and process.
Roger Roger