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lol yes you can
If you'd like to, sure. Give me a minute and I can forward them to you.
If you'd like to, sure. Give me a minute and I can forward them to you.
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This won't happen for a few days but I tried something.
I opened both maps in the PC software, then took an average between them. Copied and pasted into a new map and saved it. We'll see how that works.
I opened both maps in the PC software, then took an average between them. Copied and pasted into a new map and saved it. We'll see how that works.
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Dare I ask...have you known anyone to use TTHD for tuning?
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On the 06+, there are no cam plate bearings so the cams just slip in/out. the front cylinder cam is held in place by a small snap ring.
Only inner cam bearings. It is recommended you change the inner cam bearings when you swap the cams. You'll need a blind bearing puller/installer. I did not swap bearings. May be a bad idea on my part but I'll deal with that.
I did not use any special tools other than standard 1/2", 9/16" wrenches and sockets. Also, a couple of allen wrenches are necessary. A T-25 torx bit is necessary to remove the outer cam chain tensioner.
I did reuse my stock pushrods which meant dismantling the top end. I did not remove the heads. Only the rockers. I did have to remove the tank for clearance to remove the rods.
I did use the following threads as guides:
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/touri...-write-up.html
https://www.hdforums.com/forum/touri...-twin-cam.html
I'm no wrench but this was pretty darn easy. Would have been easier to use adjustable pushrods. A little more money, but less work disassembling the tank and top end.
On that 2nd link, there is a photo of using binder clips to hold the lifters in place so when you pull the cam plate out the lifters don't drop into the cam chest. I did try that but just couldn't figure out how to get the clip to hook up on the lifter. There is a small piece of round stock next to the lifters and the lifters have a small flat on them. I lifted them, turned them so the flat was against the small stock and let them rest there. I did not remove them from the engine. Just lifted and twisted them. That flat corresponds to the position of the bearing at the bottom of the lifter that rides on the cam lobe.
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Have you tried getting in touch with FM?
Im interested in how this turns out as I am going to order my parts and pieces for the cam swap and spoke to FM about a new map, they said no problem. I have a PCV with auto tune and i would hate to have to spend more money on a dyno tune. ICLICK on this forum had good success with his cam swap, not the same cams as yours, but he had to adjust the timing from what I remember. I know that FM maps are pretty rich because after installing the autotune all my trims were negative, some by alot. Good luck and keep us posted.
Im interested in how this turns out as I am going to order my parts and pieces for the cam swap and spoke to FM about a new map, they said no problem. I have a PCV with auto tune and i would hate to have to spend more money on a dyno tune. ICLICK on this forum had good success with his cam swap, not the same cams as yours, but he had to adjust the timing from what I remember. I know that FM maps are pretty rich because after installing the autotune all my trims were negative, some by alot. Good luck and keep us posted.
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Have you tried getting in touch with FM?
Im interested in how this turns out as I am going to order my parts and pieces for the cam swap and spoke to FM about a new map, they said no problem. I have a PCV with auto tune and i would hate to have to spend more money on a dyno tune. ICLICK on this forum had good success with his cam swap, not the same cams as yours, but he had to adjust the timing from what I remember. I know that FM maps are pretty rich because after installing the autotune all my trims were negative, some by alot. Good luck and keep us posted.
Im interested in how this turns out as I am going to order my parts and pieces for the cam swap and spoke to FM about a new map, they said no problem. I have a PCV with auto tune and i would hate to have to spend more money on a dyno tune. ICLICK on this forum had good success with his cam swap, not the same cams as yours, but he had to adjust the timing from what I remember. I know that FM maps are pretty rich because after installing the autotune all my trims were negative, some by alot. Good luck and keep us posted.
I'm going to seek out some local tuners and by 'local' I mean within a 2hr drive or so.
Here's my options:
Thunder Tower HD - Columbia, SC (90min drive)
Tman Performance - Kernersville, NC (2hrs)
Dougs HD - Florence, SC (1hr)
Charlotte HD - Charlotte, NC (2hrs)
Tilley's HD - Statesville, NC (2.5hrs) - remember hearing good things bout them.
I have spoken with the proprietor of Ben's V-Twins (indy) in Charlotte, NC last year about doing a cam swap (was price shopping). He said there was a guy in the area with a mobile dyno and he was good and prices fair. I need to contact Ben's V-Twins for contact info.
Also, there is some tuner in Myrtle Beach who seems to be quite reputable.
http://www.myrtlebeachperformance.com/index.html
I've never heard of the guy but worth a shot with at least getting some info from him as far as pricing goes.
I also suspect Tman Perf. would be expensive considering his stage 1 heads went from $650 last year to $810 this year. A phone call/price inquiry is free.