Power Vision Information Thread
Road Captain
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The map I got from FM originally had 780, which translates into about 14.43:1. Here's a chart from the FM site. I'm a bit confused, as according to this chart 14.68 is 500mv while the TTS manual states that 450mv produces this AFR.
http://tuneyourharley.com/biketech/c...l-map-revealed
Anyway, the bike is running well thanks to all the info and help here. :-)
Last edited by SGLarry; Mar 22, 2012 at 05:32 AM.
Road Warrior
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From: Upstate SC
OK, so you have a tuning version and a riding version which are versions of the same base map. One has AFR and switches set for tuning and the other set for normal riding - Yes applying the changes to both of those map is fine. Actually that is what I do if I am only making 1 set of changes.
Road Warrior
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"Pro level" just refers to the tables that are available for display and adjustment in the WinPV software. Go to Setup > Options and change your User Level to "Pro". You don't have to have wideband sensors to use pro level functions in WinPV. Everyone should set the software to pro level
Road Warrior
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Thanks again, Iclick. The pinging I mentioned was intermittent and only accelerating up a hill where load goes up. Flat ground never pinged, no matter how hot. I have heard that the SE 204 can be difficult to tune, but don't know why. I will watch KR more closely next time. Won't get a chance to do another ride until Sunday. Will report back.
TedMan
TedMan
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Yeah, the info out ther about closed loop bias voltage seems to differ slightly.....Here is some more info that states something different about voltage. It says 500mv translates to 14.6:1 and that 700mv would be closer to 14.3:1.
http://tuneyourharley.com/biketech/c...l-map-revealed
Anyway, the bike is running well thanks to all the info and help here. :-)
http://tuneyourharley.com/biketech/c...l-map-revealed
Anyway, the bike is running well thanks to all the info and help here. :-)
Road Warrior
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I'm curious. Are you still running a closed-loop map (AFR at 14.6) and reaching these temps? If so, change those closed-loop AFR cells from 14.6 to 13.8 and test again. Iclick reports he doesn't see any difference but I run open loop on my bike and it runs about 15 degrees cooler.
TedMan
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It's common to see the 204's idle there. Only way to change that is to change when the ecm reads the map value. That's why on some tuning devices you choose your base map based on the camshaft. You shouldn't have any issues at 40 kpa.
I think that those temps are fairly normal. I data log quite a few and will normally see temps of 250-275 running down the highway. The bigger the engine the higher it will be. My only suggestion is to remove some timing in that area and see what happens. It will also help with your pinging.
I think that those temps are fairly normal. I data log quite a few and will normally see temps of 250-275 running down the highway. The bigger the engine the higher it will be. My only suggestion is to remove some timing in that area and see what happens. It will also help with your pinging.
TedMan
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I'm sorry, you are right. I was mixing it up in my head with the CAN tuning. The Dyna's didn't switch to CAN until 2012.
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Now I'm really confused. Your '09 has a CLB table? I thought only cable bikes ('07) and only a few '08 calibrations had one and all others were adjustable by changing the Lambda value between .98 and 1.02. Can anyone clear this up?
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Thanks again, Iclick. The pinging I mentioned was intermittent and only accelerating up a hill where load goes up. Flat ground never pinged, no matter how hot. I have heard that the SE 204 can be difficult to tune, but don't know why. I will watch KR more closely next time. Won't get a chance to do another ride until Sunday. Will report back.
In my case it will retard usually not more than 2° for a few seconds at the same point on the graph (~60KPA @ 2200-2500 RPM) but only sporadically, then will revert to normal. I haven't seen any PE spark adjustments come from this odd behavior, but Jamie told me to just leave it alone and don't let the LT tune spark-advance in that area. I now feel like spark-advance is okay and I no longer move the spark tables over to WinPV in the last step of the tuning process.