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Old Aug 27, 2015 | 02:00 PM
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Here is some useful information for those looking to install the new Target Tune kit on their Dynojet Power Vision equipped bike. Target Tune allows for full time closed loop fuel corrections over the entire calibration (not just the cruise range & light load areas like stock) by incorporating Bosch wideband O2 sensors into the Delphi ECM along with key changes to the calibration. TT allows users to target the AFR's of their choice without the limitations of the factory O2 sensors which can only sample within a limited range.

http://www.fuelmotousa.com/series-199126
Key Features:
Allows the factory ECM to interpret and use wideband O2 sensor signals*
User defined AFR/Lambda targets over a broad range
Target fuel table from PV calibration is achieved in real time
Retains OEM closed loop, adaptive fuel control strategy
Learns and uses VE table corrections as you ride
Target Tune enhanced Auto Tune app on PV device
Does NOT interfere with dealer diagnostic / service tools
Direct plug in OEM style connectors connect to factory O2 harness
Model specific applications for Harley Davidson closed loop models
Available as upgrade kit without O2 sensors for owners of Auto Tune Pro
Fits 2006 and newer Harley Davidson motorcycles**



The first thing to note is that Target Tune equipped bikes require a Target Tune-enabled calibration, to request a new TT-enabled map you can email Fuel Moto at targettune@fuelmotousa.com or if you purchased your unit elsewhere you can request your map from targettune@dynojet.com. For a new map we will need the year/model of your bike as well as all of the modifications you have made, or if you currently have have a map you would like converted to be TT-enabled you can email that and it will be converted. *IMPORTANT* Target Tune requires your Power Vision be updated to the latest Firmware, (2.0.19-1506 or later) and Tune Database (0.0.9.33 or later), and the latest WinPv softare must be installed (2.0.8.1500 or later). If you have earlier version of either of these items Target Tune will not work, if you open a Target Tune enabled map in earlier software it will disable the Target Tune settings, so... just make sure everything is updated before you get started

To get started make sure all the updates are current using the PV update client, load your Target Tune-enabled map and flash your ECM. Make sure you reset learned fuel trims when prompted. The bike in this example is a 2015 Street Glide however the following basics apply to all models. There are specific instructions & diagrams for each model in the Target Tune manual.

Install front & rear wideband O2 sensors. *Note* Bosch wideband O2 sensors are 18mm and will require the appropriate bung, many models including the 2010-newer FLH uses a 12mm sensor. These applications require an exhaust with 18mm bungs to accept the new sensors, the other alternative is to weld in the bungs in the appropriate location (weld in bungs are included with all TT kits)






wire in the O2 sensor leads to the Target Tune wideband controller, note each wire is color coded and is pre-soldered. A good tip is to use a paperclip to pierce the membrane before you push the wire in.



unplug the factory O2 sensors and plug in sensor harness from the Target Tune box. If you have exhaust with both 18mm & 12mm sensor bungs you can leave the factory sensors installed, however you can also remove them and plug the bung. If you need a plug it is 12mm X 1.25 thread.




Unplug your Power Vision from the dataport and plug in the included Y-splitter, you will now have the ability to plug in your Power Vision and Target Tune at the same time.




You will run the Y-splitter under the seat and you can tuck the wires in by the ECM




Mount Target Tune on top of ECM, you can now plug in wideband O2 sensors to the Target Tune box




The Target Tune hardware is now installed. We recommend starting the bike and making sure the O2's are reading thru the ECM with your Power Vision. There are new gauge channels for use with Target Tune for allow you to monitor live AFR/Lambda directly off the ECM's databus. To configure these gauges you will go to the Vehicle channel list and select WBO2 Front & Rear AFR or Lambda as shown below (engine not running in this example) *IMPORTANT* because Target Tune reads the wideband O2 sensors directly thru the ECM it does not require a CAN to Power Vision connection. Target Tune does not require a CAN cable or CAN termination plug like the Dynojet AT-110/120 kits.





There is also a new Auto Tune mode on the Power Vision called Target Tune Auto Tune (TT-AT) which is similar to AT-Pro, however TT-AT is enhanced to Target Tune use, it uses the actual AFR targets in your calibration rather than setting the AF table to 13.0 like AT-Pro. *IMPORTANT* you cannot use the AT-Basic or AT-Pro applications with a Target Tune equipped bike.



*ALSO NOTE* your Power Vision unit does not need to be installed on the bike when running Target Tune. The only time it needs to be on the bike is when using the Target Tune-Auto tune application, or if you want to display or log data.
If anyone has any questions they are welcome to contact us, or visit www.fuelmotousa.com for more info
 
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Old Aug 27, 2015 | 09:56 PM
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Been using the target tune for a few weeks now and it's pretty awesome to see on the gauges the WB02 F/R zero in on the set AFR live as you ride. Could be a placebo affect but it feels like the bike is smoother, either way I'm happy.

I have a question regarding TT-AT, Is it advisable to enable spark knock learning to tune spark with the TT-AT? I never had the AT pro prior and it was not advisable to tune spark with AT basic due to the way it sets up the tune for learning and I totally get that. I don't see why it wouldn't be ok to set max learned to say 10 and go for it like Its been said you could with AT-Pro but using the TT-AT. Since the learning goes off of your already established tables and does not alter them for auto tuning. Any reason not too?
 

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Old Aug 28, 2015 | 09:40 PM
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How far will target tune correct to maintain the AFR I have set in my fuel table? Example if my VE tables aren't correct, say my VE table says 87 in the 60 map 3500 rpm cell, but my bike actually flowing air 109 in that cell, 25% more than what my VE table says. Will the TT correct fuel enough to maintain a 14.2 AFR if that's what I have set in the AFR table?


How far off can the VE's be and TT adjust to maintain set AFR?
 
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Old Aug 29, 2015 | 09:27 PM
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Holy crap. I came here to learn more about my PV and how i can improve on my auto tune. But, 700+ pages? I dont even know where to start.
 
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Old Aug 30, 2015 | 07:03 AM
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I have had a Power vision on my 2013 ,traded it for a 2016. I know that I need a new cable. All I can find about unlocking it is for doing more that one bike. What options are there for me to switch it to the new bike?
 
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Old Aug 30, 2015 | 07:09 AM
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The license stays with the bike. There is no unlocking it. If you want to use the power vision on a new bike you have to buy another license.
 
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Old Aug 30, 2015 | 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Simplespeed
Holy crap. I came here to learn more about my PV and how i can improve on my auto tune. But, 700+ pages? I dont even know where to start.
I know the feeling! I have been reading this thread to glean info about tuning with auto tune and what all the different data means. It has not been as easy as I thought it would be.
 
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Old Aug 30, 2015 | 08:05 AM
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Originally Posted by smitty901
I have had a Power vision on my 2013 ,traded it for a 2016. I know that I need a new cable. All I can find about unlocking it is for doing more that one bike. What options are there for me to switch it to the new bike?

I am assuming that you kept the PV from your 2013. Each different bike you tune with the same PV requires a separate license. The cost is $199. I have included two links on how to obtain a license. When I did this last year with Dynojet it was easy.


These are the only two options that I am aware of.


http://www.powercommander.com/downlo...e-8-Retail.pdf


http://www.fuelmotousa.com/i-2094543...e-license.html
 
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Ok, i just got another new to me bike. A 2011 street glide. All stock as far as the engine.

I have had several touring bikes and always went to a local tuner who uses Techno Link. You buy a USB key to access the system and pay him for the tune. About $500 total. He does great tunes and i have never had to go back.

This time I thought I would look a other options. I read them all and was convinced to give the Power Vision a try. i was about to order one on the Fuel Moto site after talking to Bob there today. That was until I saw this thread. Seems like the guys who use these type tuners n place of a good dyno tune are always having to screw with their tunes. I want to just tune it and ride. Don't want to race anyone. Just want it to run right. I am not doing anything drastic. Just some Vance and Hines oval slip ons and an SE air cleaner.

So, my question is, can I load the map that Fuel Moto sends me and just enjoy the bike or will I have to spend endless hours tweeking it? The sysytem cost about the same as what my local tuner charges. I just like the idea of doing it myself and if I make changes doing the adjustments on my schedule, not his.

Not looking to get into a long discussion. Just want to know if I can keep it simple and use the map they send me? I really don't even want to mount the thing on the bike. Just want to load the map and ride. Is that possible?
 
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Originally Posted by PTAG
Ok, i just got another new to me bike. A 2011 street glide. All stock as far as the engine.

I have had several touring bikes and always went to a local tuner who uses Techno Link. You buy a USB key to access the system and pay him for the tune. About $500 total. He does great tunes and i have never had to go back.

This time I thought I would look a other options. I read them all and was convinced to give the Power Vision a try. i was about to order one on the Fuel Moto site after talking to Bob there today. That was until I saw this thread. Seems like the guys who use these type tuners n place of a good dyno tune are always having to screw with their tunes. I want to just tune it and ride. Don't want to race anyone. Just want it to run right. I am not doing anything drastic. Just some Vance and Hines oval slip ons and an SE air cleaner.

So, my question is, can I load the map that Fuel Moto sends me and just enjoy the bike or will I have to spend endless hours tweeking it? The sysytem cost about the same as what my local tuner charges. I just like the idea of doing it myself and if I make changes doing the adjustments on my schedule, not his.

Not looking to get into a long discussion. Just want to know if I can keep it simple and use the map they send me? I really don't even want to mount the thing on the bike. Just want to load the map and ride. Is that possible?

In a word, Yes.
 
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